audentior_ito: (otp - aeneas/turnus crack)
So I am seriously getting tangled in my Turnuz/Mezentius/Aeneas section. I want to do for Aeneas what I did for Guan Yu with Lu Bu, but it's a little more difficult. First, I can't make the argument that the Greeks and Romans did not value martial heroes entirely for their ability as warriors because Achilles is a gigantic monkey-wrench in that argument. So what am I saying? I also think that the true "villain" of the Aeneid is in fact Juno, not Turnus, but that's not an argument I want to get into.

What am I trying to say? Mezentius is actually easy. He is a godless, bloodthirsty man. The fact that his son is still loyal to him and protects him I think is less a comment on Mezentius and more a comment on Lausus and Aeneas. Lausus isn't there to make Mezentius more sympathetic (or at least, that's not his central purpose). Lausus exists because Pallas exists. Lausus' death, his blood on Aeneas' hands, balances the scales again between Aeneas and Turnus. At least, on a certain level. His death also restores Aeneas to himself. In contrast to Aeneas, Mezentius shows the readers what men are like who neglect their divine pietas. Maybe this is not an especially illuminating example, though. In fact, maybe Lausus is the one I should use here instead of either Mezentius or Turnus. Although the boy exists only to die, so the section would shorten considerably.

Time to consider Turnus. Ah, Turnus. Turnus stands as the reflection of Aeneas, a twisted version of him. Maybe. He's a king, in love with Lavinia. Already haughty, he is twisted with furor into an ever-raging beast hungry for blood. A slight exaggeration, since, after all, in his bloodlust he never loses his majestic attributes nor his regal pride. Both Turnus and Mezentius revel in killing, though. Aeneas regrets the war with the Italian, the need for bloodshed and does what he can to prevent it while Turnus ad Mezentius spur it on. When Aeneas sinks to Turnus' level it is uncomfortable for the reader. That only the pitiful sight of Lausus dying can restore Aeneas to himself is painful. Yet Turnus is never restored to himself, or if so, it is only as death is staring him in the face, irrevocably approaching in the giant and unyielding form of Aeneas and his rage-grief for Pallas.

Dan'o suggests the following: Turnus as a foil for leadership, Mezentius as a foil for obedience to the gods, and Lausus as a foil for filial piety. I like this a lot. I will try this.

Yay, Dan'o!
audentior_ito: (mihawk 2)
Why can't Aeneas, instead of "forgetting the validity" of pietas when overtaken by grief for Pallas, feel trapped and frustrated by it? After all he has sacrificed and after having the leadership and hope of a nation of refugees thrust upon him, when he would have so gladly died pointlessly defending Troy, isn't Aeneas entitled to let loose some of his pent up emotions--not only the grief for Pallas, but all the rage and frustration, the loneliness that have built up over 7 years of wandering and loss?

I continue not to understand why Putnam sees Aeneas' actions in a negative light. To my mind, Aeneas sees himself in Lausus. Even someone as young as myself has experienced the frustration, rage, and desolation of seeing a younger person follow blindly in your own footsteps when you know the hardships that are ahead for them.

To me the scene shows Aeneas, pushed to the breaking point by a dear protege and friend, who he should have protected. As he is raising his sword to kill one of the most nefarious villains of the epic, another young warrior intervenes. Lausus no doubt recalls to Aeneas Pallas, and even Euryalus, these young men who should live instead of reaching for the "glory" that is war. But perhaps worse than the reminder of these young lives taken too soon, Aeneas sees a shadow of himself. Even if Virgil never says so, I think Aeneas words to Lausus ("Whither do you rush, about to die, and dare deeds greater than your strength? Your piety deceives you in your folly." [Putnam 135]) reveal both these things. The question holds him up against Pallas and Euryalus, but the next sentence draws a connection between Lausus and Aeneas. Aeneas, known for his piety, is criticizing it in another. Is it too modern an interpretation to think that Aeneas registers their common virtue, and instead of feeling kinship or some other common feeling with Lausus (which doesn't come until the boy is dead) he feels contempt or frustration. Aeneas has wandered for seven years to fulfill the duty he owes to his descendants, to the gods, he does as his parents--deity and mortal--ask him. When Anchises wanted to die in Troy, he was willing to stay; when Anchises decided to flee, Aeneas carried him to safety.
audentior_ito: (jin - silent)
I'm supposed to be reading an article by Putnam about Aeneas and piety, but it's bugging me because I frequently space and can't follow what he's saying. [I'm listening to "Violets of the Dawn" and it's so totally distracting because it's such a lovely song and I like his voice a lot, too.] Also, Putnam is talking about the moment when Aeneas kills Lausus and arguing that what Aeneas says to Lausus is an attempt to escape responsiblity by saying that it's Lausus' piety's fault. He also states that Aeneas doesn't take responsibility for killing Turnus either. I think we don't see enough to say whether he takes responsibility for Turnus' death. For Lausus I think it's human for Aeneas to fly into a rage and we shouldn't criticize him. And if in his anger he is cruel or savage, that is the nature of anger as well as humans. But I think in that moment, when Aeneas pauses and looks at Lausus, his rage fading away, there is a kind of responsibility there, a recognition of his own handiwork and the violence that he unleashed because of the intensity of his grief. Also, Virgil deliberately obscures Aeneas' feelings and thoughts from the reader, so there's no way of knowing what is really going on in Aeneas on more than surface level.

Then again, maybe I just don't want to look at Aeneas in a negative light and am trying to invent things so that I don't have to properly consider Putnam's argument. To claim that Virgil's hero lacks the complexity of more modern characters would be insulting as well as utterly ridiculous. Yet I think that the way that writers are now able to present characters' thoughts and feelings has changed a lot since antiquity, and the epic style isn't interested in the minutiae of human emotion. I want to believe that Virgil withholds such information in part to force us to ask these questions, the hard questions. Should we think less of Aeneas for becoming overwhelmed by grief, for giving in to his rage? In the middle of a battle does it matter if he is killing because he is out of control or if he is in perfect control? Isn't war a terrible thing? I think Lausus' death is tragic, whether he is killed by a pious Aeneas, or an Aeneas out of his mind and blind with emotion. The death of a young boy, whether Pallas or Lausus, in a war is always painful, always awful, always hateful. But you can't hate the warriors who kill young boys, because it is the job of the fighter to fight. The tragedy is that Lausus has to fight at all, that anyone has to fight. War is tragic. Maybe Turnus is a jerk when he kills Pallas, and maybe he is caught up in bloodlust. I think crimes committed in cold blood are far worse, and I pity Turnus as much as anyone for being a plaything of the gods.

...Reading secondary material about Virgil frequently makes me feel that I'm not smart enough to read Virgil.

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